#subsidiarity🚸 thread πŸ“ƒ 

Proceeding will be selections from this excellent summary of by David W. Cooney that distinguish its fundamental principles from Enlightenment conceptions of and


"An important difference between and the view more commonly accepted in our society is that the higher levels don't get their authority from the lower levels. What authority they have is natural to them by their existence." ~David W. Cooney is.gd/etinHk

"Even if the choice of leaders and the precise definition of laws involves the choice of its members, the existence and authority of a community's government is by its nature, by the needs it exists to fulfill to preserve the ." ~David W. Cooney is.gd/etinHk

"The government of a community exists by virtue of the community's existence, and its authority is over precisely those things which deal with preserving the of each member and the totality of its members in matters that go beyond their own authority."

~David W. Cooney is.gd/etinHk

⚠️ Trigger warning for libertarians! 

"[T]he authority of the government of each order of community is not granted to it from its members. Just as children do not establish the government of their parents or grant their authority, members of a higher order of community do not establish its government or grant its authority."

~David W. Cooney is.gd/etinHk

@canonicalbrud false equivalence. Children are created by their parents and therefore governed by them. Community members are not created by a government, it's the other way around. And what is a community? An abstract idea representing a collection of its members. A government, likewise, is an abstract idea. Abstract ideas cannot ipso facto have any authority, authority must be derived and/or granted from some material person/thing/etc.

@Liberty4Masses the reality of people living in proximity to each other is not abstract at all, but concrete. As quoted further down in the thread, rights don’t exist without duties, and at any order, it is our obligation to seek the common good of our neighbor appropriate for that order. (E.g., at level of nation states, they are obliged to seek peace and fair trade.) People living close to each together are obliged to submit to the natural authority that promotes the common good for all.

@canonicalbrud @Liberty4Masses Well yeah, but who defines "common good?" And on what basis? And how can any authority that wasn't explicitly delegated be called "natural authority?" (excepting only kids/parents----the one thing that stubbornly refuses to fit neatly into anyone's analogies about government)


@TheoTheCicada @Liberty4Masses
Per the deposit of philosophical/theological reflection in the Western Tradition for the past several millennia, the common good is the collection of institutions that enable the person to live the Good Life in liberty (i.e. free practice of the virtues). The authority is natural at a given order because it’s only at that specific order that institutions at such order can be implemented (e.g. peace treaties between nations; driving code on roads; etc).

@canonicalbrud @Liberty4Masses @TheoTheCicada
No authority is natural since it is in direct contradiction with the natural principle of self-ownership.

@TheoTheCicada @Liberty4Masses the first principle of is to devolve political agency to the lowest order possible, so you determine when a higher order of authority is required on a need by need basis, rather than politicians making laws just because.

@canonicalbrud @Liberty4Masses
But what does "need" mean when you say "need by need basis?" Some folks have screwy definitions of "need." That's why the Constitution is full of very specific statements.

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