#subsidiarity🚸 thread πŸ“ƒ 

Proceeding will be selections from this excellent summary of by David W. Cooney that distinguish its fundamental principles from Enlightenment conceptions of and


"An important difference between and the view more commonly accepted in our society is that the higher levels don't get their authority from the lower levels. What authority they have is natural to them by their existence." ~David W. Cooney is.gd/etinHk

"Even if the choice of leaders and the precise definition of laws involves the choice of its members, the existence and authority of a community's government is by its nature, by the needs it exists to fulfill to preserve the ." ~David W. Cooney is.gd/etinHk

"The government of a community exists by virtue of the community's existence, and its authority is over precisely those things which deal with preserving the of each member and the totality of its members in matters that go beyond their own authority."

~David W. Cooney is.gd/etinHk


⚠️ Trigger warning for libertarians! 

"[T]he authority of the government of each order of community is not granted to it from its members. Just as children do not establish the government of their parents or grant their authority, members of a higher order of community do not establish its government or grant its authority."

~David W. Cooney is.gd/etinHk

" [...] takes an older view of the idea, where the 'contract' may establish the form of government and who will hold the positions of government, but is limited in terms of establishing the functions of government."

~David W. Cooney is.gd/etinHk

"Therefore, neither the higher, nor the lower, orders of community may usurp the roles and authorities that are part of the internal life of any given community. This applies regardless of the form of government. It applies equally to a , a , or any other form."

~David W. Cooney is.gd/etinHk

"By having children, parents are obligated to care for, educate, and raise them to be virtuous people. They also become obligated to support and care for one another, for the of each other and the children they are obligated to raise."

~David W. Cooney is.gd/etinHk

" are based on obligations which come from nature. There is no such thing as a right without an obligation to establish it. People think that is achieved by protecting . In reality, is achieved by protecting ."

~David W. Cooney is.gd/etinHk

"People live in communities because that is human nature. By living in community, people have natural obligations toward one another. Each order of community exists for a purpose consistent with human nature to protect the for its members."

~David W. Cooney is.gd/etinHk

"It is only by acknowledging and protecting the inherent functions and duties of each order of community that true can be established and protected in any society."

~David W. Cooney is.gd/etinHk

"[A] city, by virtue of its establishment has the obligation to establish laws for the of those living in its jurisdiction."

~David W. Cooney is.gd/etinHk

" is the basis for a true understanding of . is the firm basis for establishing protections for the of individuals and the of each order of community within a society. is the foundation of true ."

~David W. Cooney is.gd/etinHk

@canonicalbrud false equivalence. Children are created by their parents and therefore governed by them. Community members are not created by a government, it's the other way around. And what is a community? An abstract idea representing a collection of its members. A government, likewise, is an abstract idea. Abstract ideas cannot ipso facto have any authority, authority must be derived and/or granted from some material person/thing/etc.

@Liberty4Masses the reality of people living in proximity to each other is not abstract at all, but concrete. As quoted further down in the thread, rights don’t exist without duties, and at any order, it is our obligation to seek the common good of our neighbor appropriate for that order. (E.g., at level of nation states, they are obliged to seek peace and fair trade.) People living close to each together are obliged to submit to the natural authority that promotes the common good for all.

@canonicalbrud @Liberty4Masses Well yeah, but who defines "common good?" And on what basis? And how can any authority that wasn't explicitly delegated be called "natural authority?" (excepting only kids/parents----the one thing that stubbornly refuses to fit neatly into anyone's analogies about government)

@TheoTheCicada @Liberty4Masses
Per the deposit of philosophical/theological reflection in the Western Tradition for the past several millennia, the common good is the collection of institutions that enable the person to live the Good Life in liberty (i.e. free practice of the virtues). The authority is natural at a given order because it’s only at that specific order that institutions at such order can be implemented (e.g. peace treaties between nations; driving code on roads; etc).

@canonicalbrud @Liberty4Masses @TheoTheCicada
No authority is natural since it is in direct contradiction with the natural principle of self-ownership.

@TheoTheCicada @Liberty4Masses the first principle of is to devolve political agency to the lowest order possible, so you determine when a higher order of authority is required on a need by need basis, rather than politicians making laws just because.

@canonicalbrud @Liberty4Masses
But what does "need" mean when you say "need by need basis?" Some folks have screwy definitions of "need." That's why the Constitution is full of very specific statements.

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