> That wasn't real socialism.
If *I or my favorite leader were in charge* the socialist system would just work.
Of course, said referees are only human and can be compromised, see Soviet Russia after the fall of the government over there. Amazing how an unregulated market yielded so many very, very rich men.
@RandomDamage @profoundlynerdy I have an apple. You have a dollar. I want a dollar. You want an apple. We trade. Multiply that by billions of occurrences every day. Congratulations, that’s capitalism. No “referee” needed. There, my own simplistic example to count your simplistic “takedown”.
It’s very telling that you think Soviet Russia after its collapse is an example of capitalism though 😂😂😂
@RandomDamage @profoundlynerdy This is your shining example of “failed capitalism”? Either you have no actual understanding of the political environment in the fallen Soviet Union, or worse, you are malignantly lying. Your adored “referee” was in no way missing; it was taking bribes and dishing out the goods to political cronies in pay-to-play schemes. It’s literally one of the worst historical examples of your “referee” absolutely failing.
So back with the cycle meme, you could insert Feudalism. Be like "This Republic is bullshit, things were better when Lord X was in charge or before Queen Y died"
There is a time where various States with various systems rose and fell, and I'm sure many republics failed before they became the successful norm we tend to associate with less-autocratic/more-free states.
@RandomDamage @profoundlynerdy you literally either completely misunderstand or misrepresent your entire laughable argument and then expect to be taken seriously. Trying to play the smug card when you’re wrong about everything doesn’t really work for you 😂 Anyhow, I’m bored of you and your fact-less, irrational rambling. Be gone 👋
Capitalism requests people are free to contribute resources. Freedom requires a State, because someone needs a monopoly on violence to enforce freedom; to limit the violence.
The free market is a big myth because markets cannot exist outside of States (even when a state falls, the new market comes with a defacto State, according to Grabber).
In a true Capitalist society, I should be free to not serve and not higher Asians, or blacks, or gingers. But the state had to referee because pure capitalism leads to injustices. In pure capitalism, you can get yourself in so much debt that you sell yourself into slavery. In fact most early slavery came directly from debt or war.
Capitalism (And freedom) can't exist without a referee.
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